of that cycle? with some of the problems that we're facing right now with the deficit issues, with the entitlement issues that are coming up, how do we get politicians to start talking about some of those tough realities? >> i don't know. the ones that do get slaughtered. i don't know how we do it. i wish i were that smart. >> do you think it's holding back business at this point? or does business operate kind of outside the sphere of what's happening in washington. >> oh, you can't operate outside the sphere. the last few years, where anybody in a corporation was considered evil, and i really felt that way. i know my colleagues felt that way, you have to operate in spite of washington. and because, first of all, you have a responsibility, shareholders employees customers, whatever, but you're a business. and you're there to run a business, and to make good products and get profit, and la, la, la, everybody's happy. so you have to do it even with the weight of washington strapped to your back every day. >> you said that you felt the last two years that businesses and your col